Usability Team

Hy,

I would suggest:

• Add a "arrow-indicator" to the tooltip (like planned in TYPO3 5.0 too)
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/26977893@N05/5042228022/in/set-72157625073683854/
• A fixed position, if we follow the mouse -> you can't click a link inside of the tooltip :)
• Always open the Tooltip above the target.
• Give the tooltip a "tooltip typical" color
• Keep the dotted lines for 4.5, until we have everywhere tooltips -> then remove them in 4.6
  Currently the people need to learn in this version that the (?) are gone
  but the tooltips are still there. We need to take this change in steps, so do I think.
  • Maybe we could change the color to a (lighter) gray -> And remove the visual focus a bit

Greez Jens

last version is committed

This is just a reminder that the new tooltips are in, and that in our last weeks meeting with the design team, Jens wanted to come up with some further optimizations:

• optimize the overall timings (e.g. reduce the startup time that the tooltip takes to pop up)
• make a "click" indicator available so that it is clear that the text can be clicked on to get a popup with more information (like we used to have the little "arrow")
• optimize the styling and maybe positioning

So Jens, could you please provide some description and a screenshot on how you expect it to be. Thanks!

As discussed in our release meeting, we will do the following:

• reduce delay to 0,5s - 1s (keep in mind that there is still more initial delay because of the ajax request for the text)
• "on click" on the label should not open the popup but instead select the item that is labeled (e.g. the checkbox = standard browser behaviour)
• add the old linking arrow back inside the label which is clickeable for the "more information" popup and allow the user to enter the tooltip to click on the link. Is this possible at all?

Steffen volunteered to do this. :)

See http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=16084

There's quite some debate in the community about these new tooltips and in particular how long they stay open. Does the current delay match what Ernesto mentions above (0.5-1s) or is it still longer (it feels longer)? I think that - would really help - beyond the exact length of the delay would be if the bubble help disappeared when clicking anywhere outside of it. I'm fine with having the help pop up quickly, but it currently stays for quite some time and is often over the field where one wants to input something and thus becomes pretty obnoxious. If it disappeared as soon as I clicked elsewhere, it would be very easy to get rid of.

1. The disappear delay if the mouse is not on the label any more is musch to high (as Francois also mentioned). It should disappear almost immediately if the mouse is not hovering the label or the help bubble. I think disappearing if clicking anywhere else should then not be necessary any more
2. The user needs visual feedback that some label has a tooltip. In tceforms it is pretty clear that he or she should hover the labels but e.g. in the extension manager there are also some texts with tooltips, but it is not clear which ones. It pretty much feels like searching a hidden treasure in an oldschool point and click adventure, which should not be the case in a CMS.

a few days until rc1.. i am really sure lots of people won't upgrade to 4.5 because of this new "mandatory" feature

i think we urgently need an option to disable all these tooltips..
well. . the option is already there ("Show help text when applicable" checkbox in user setup)

i am trying to implement this option but it seem more complicate than expected.
if anybody is of the same idea, i am here to help

what do you think?

stefano

@Helmut -> in TCEForms i - and my customers too - liked the small help icon beside the label ;)

@all how is the visualisation of more content done - i haven't seen any difference between tooltips with and without the posibility to open a new window with more help content.

There's an arrow, when detailled description is available.