Feature #14026

Add new ordering "RAND()" to TYPO3 DB Backend

Added by Kai Vogel about 3 years ago. Updated 2 days ago.

Status:Needs Feedback Start date:2011-03-24
Priority:Should have Due date:
Assignee:- % Done:


Category:Extbase: Generic Persistence
Target version:Extbase 6.3
Has patch:No Complexity:
Votes: 5 (View)


Currently the only allowed sort modes are ascending (ASC) and descending (DESC), but there is no way to order by RAND, which will return a random result set. The only possibility to do that is, to create a native SQL statement and lose the abstraction from a concrete storage backend.


Related issues

blocks news extension - Feature #56903: Offer "sort by random" On Hold 2014-03-14


Updated by Michael McManus almost 3 years ago

  • Has patch set to No

Updated by Ingo Pfennigstorf over 1 year ago

  • Status changed from New to Needs Feedback
  • Target version deleted (Extbase 1.4)

As the JCR specification that we follow here [1] does not have a RAND or other random ordering and ORDER BY RAND is very MySQL specific (see [2]) I would suggest to reject this feature. What do you think?

[1] http://www.day.com/specs/jcr/1.0/
[2] http://www.petefreitag.com/item/466.cfm

Updated by Stefan Neufeind over 1 year ago

I agree we need some solution that can be used across various DBMS. Thanks for the links.

But we should have random-sorting in some way. So I agree with you that simply using RAND and forgetting about other DBMS is not a solution. But I disagree with you in regards to rejecting this feature-request itself.

Updated by Ingo Pfennigstorf over 1 year ago

This is how Doctrine (FLOW3) solved it (not).

And this is an easy way to implement it in a custom query (german)

Updated by Stefan Neufeind over 1 year ago

Yey, so that's what an ORM is for: Telling you it doesn't care about the database-specific stuff and only leaves creating a custom (DB-dependent solution) as your only option.

The custom repository works in a way. But if you need more rows it even gets a bit more hacky. (Yes you could do a fetch where uid in (...) and shuffle them inside php). So exactly that "custom solution" that everybody needing a RAND will have to write himself is not really an option imho.

Now if Doctrine doesn't want to help, and if Extbase needs to find a way to do it that FLOW3 will be fine with as well, what's our option? Put database-dependent stuff inside Extbase/FLOW3 since Doctrine doesn't want to care about it? Hmm ...

Updated by Anja Leichsenring 11 months ago

  • Target version set to Extbase 6.3

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