Usability Team

Hi Georg,

There would be two aspects in the question I can see:

- better usability for notes taking within a page. Currently it is a bit tedious to set down a note... I agree. it should be something more straight forward with a better visibility whenever a note is present

- better design (look & feel)

Do you have already some ideas to share here? Maybe even a proposition we could discuss ;)

sry no ideas currently as I am really not the designer. i can implement the changes;)

what about adding a bbar which show an icon for notes and pops up if the user clicks on the icon.

Pop upcan be either:

1. Quicktip
2. Advanced Quicktip with formating ;)
3. ExtJS PopUP

This way the notes can be displayed, even if the module doesn't support notes.

This is possible because the backend is than able to display the UI for every module based on path (UID) and module.

There should be 3 types of notes:

1. private
2. public - writeable by all editors
3. admin note - readable by all - writeable by admins

Regards
Kay

i am against a bar and popups. i would like to have it as now, just nice. maybe if there are more records on same page with accordion effect?

Maybe not a dedicated bar for notes only but something with a better visibility would be welcomed whenever there would be a note attached on the page. The spot where notes are currently shown at the very bottom is inefficient, I think. It should be somehow more highlighted.

I would see small "note" icons within the lower docheader bar displayed in a raw for each note. When an icon is clicked, a kind of post-it would open up on the top of the page. A note (or post-it widget) could have a status "always" displayed to make sure the other editor would see it.

Probably a screenshot could enlighten the whole thing.

This way the notes can be displayed, even if the module doesn't support notes.

+ 1 for having a cross module system.

There should be 3 types of notes:

1. private
2. public - writeable by all editors
3. admin note - readable by all - writeable by admins

+1 for the idea, although it requires more work...

Furthermore, I am imagining different colors for the different notes category:

- instruction
- notes
- todo
- template (shall we really keep this one?)

Well... I understand all these ideas require more work that originally thought...

Note: code-wise there is some work to do. The sys_note rendering is currently hard-coded in EXT:cms /db_list although sql/tca+ is stored in EXT:sys_note. Could be improved very much, thinking about Hook to push notes from sys_notes to cms (page/list/...).

Notes could also be rendered in the Frontend!

looks cool!

shouldn't those boxes maybe appear at top? if at bottom below or before the search? how would it look/positioned in list view?

THX Martin, good work!

This are notes, not alerts! It speaks clearly for the bottom and not the top.
We could add a nice visual indicator at the top and an anchor at the bottom,
if you fear that those notes get overseen.

I miss some "meta" info's in the current layout.
@Martin: Where could those infos be placed?
Maybe just at the bottom with a (bit darker) background?

• Type: instructions, Notes, Todos -- (Done via Icon)
• Access: Private (only Author), Public (Every editor), Admins only
• Author: Name
• Date: Of creation

Greez Jens

@Fabien: A Search? Why? The local one?
I'm happy to have that damn thing moved to the top right. :)

there is still a search in page module / list module and it still got features which are not in the topright search like searching only on this page or levels inside

At the moment, I don't think the "Internal Note" feature is widely used mainly because of lack of visibility in the UI. I still consider that if we want the feature to be successful, we need to increase its visibility. These internals notes are something towards the editors that should attract their attention at the first glance. This is the main Use Case, I see. Keep also in mind the different category of notes we have:

• Instruction
• Notes
• To-do
• Template

Task: to add on the Wireframes a way to edit the note in the Page module. Currently it is only possible to edit a note in the List module if I am not mistaken. This should be extended, IMO.

@Fabien: A Search? Why? The local one?

-> I am opening a new issue #36231 to avoid off-topic discussion.

You should have these same notes in fileadmin or rather FAL as well. Wouldn't that be great if you could add instructions to the use of a folder? Maybe the FAL team can say something about that?

ben: can we please make one thing after another? 1st make FAL stable with the features we really need, 2nd make sys_notes nice and afterwards think where we can use the sys_notes + a proper API for those? please open a new issue for that once the first 2 are done, thx

Looks good but I still would like to raise my concern.
The order of the icons should be toggled: First edit then delete.
Also the icons should be at the top.

I personally don't think that the date adds to the functionality but rather distracts from the note.

The same goes for the "Access" information. Displaying the access state makes only sense for the admin hence he/she is able to change the state of visibility for the note.

Could you do me a favor and try if the colored badget also take effect if the form is not triangular but square?
There is not a single tringle in the whole backend yet so a block with color-code might be better?

can we have a decission that? otherwise I would like to finish that? there is then still time enough making things a bit different.

can someone also give me those corners as png/gif?

Go for the solution Martin suggested .. in the first run.

• FAL is irrelevant for now.
• Switch the two Icons as suggested.
• Leave the icons at the bottom, please.
• We could try a different thing than the triangular,
  but I think this is the best solution. For now, it's fine.

Greez WrYBiT

great, thx for your feedback.

• instructions
• notes
• todos
• template
• and a default icon for no category selected

i can also go for a 1st try with 1 icon (default) and we will add the others after that.

thx a lot

fine with me too ;)

just again: we need those icons for
instructions
notes
todos
template
and a default icon for no category selected

ok from me

hey guys! can we make that happen or not? I am just a developer not a designer ...

wanna make the next version a bit nicer for more than just developers, please help a bit, otherwise it just stays ugly

To me this is Final.

What do you need to start?

Greez Jens

a psd or even better just the icons

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I like Martin's v3 best :)

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Georg can you fix this?