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Optimize texts for the "copy" and "translate" description

Added by Sybille Peters almost 3 years ago. Updated about 1 year ago.

Status:
Rejected
Priority:
Should have
Category:
Backend User Interface
Target version:
-
Start date:
2021-07-02
Due date:
% Done:

0%

Estimated time:
TYPO3 Version:
11
PHP Version:
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Complexity:
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Description

Possible problems and room for improvement

  • the "connected mode" sound overlay negative: it lists mostly the negative effect and not the positive.

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11-dev:


Files

localize.png (47.8 KB) localize.png Sybille Peters, 2021-07-15 04:41
localize_proposal1.png (62.2 KB) localize_proposal1.png Sybille Peters, 2021-07-15 04:48
localize_proposal2.png (23.9 KB) localize_proposal2.png Sybille Peters, 2021-07-15 05:36
free-mode.svg (1.05 KB) free-mode.svg Rachel Foucard, 2021-08-25 00:28
connected-mode.svg (1.09 KB) connected-mode.svg Rachel Foucard, 2021-08-25 00:28
Actions #1

Updated by Gerrit Code Review almost 3 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Under Review

Patch set 1 for branch master of project Packages/TYPO3.CMS has been pushed to the review server.
It is available at https://review.typo3.org/c/Packages/TYPO3.CMS/+/69690

Actions #2

Updated by Gerrit Code Review almost 3 years ago

Patch set 2 for branch master of project Packages/TYPO3.CMS has been pushed to the review server.
It is available at https://review.typo3.org/c/Packages/TYPO3.CMS/+/69690

Actions #3

Updated by Gerrit Code Review almost 3 years ago

Patch set 3 for branch master of project Packages/TYPO3.CMS has been pushed to the review server.
It is available at https://review.typo3.org/c/Packages/TYPO3.CMS/+/69690

Actions #4

Updated by Sybille Peters almost 3 years ago

Actions #5

Updated by Sybille Peters almost 3 years ago

Proposal 1 (Sybille):

Intentions / explanation

  • Refer to free / connected mode of page
  • Use texts of buttons to refer to the mode ("Translate", "copy")
  • clarify explanations

Screenshot

Texts

Translate description:

Translate will create a direct connection between the content element in the original language and the translated content element.
This means that the sorting order of content elements or meta information like start- or endtime will be taken from the original content and you will not be able to change these values on a translated content element.
Once you use this option, the translated page will be in "Connected mode" which affects all content elements on the page.
Use this when the translated page should have the same (translated) content elements in the same order as the original.

Copy description:

Copy will take the content elements from the source language and create copies in a different language.
This means that you will be able to add, delete and move content elements freely, but you will not have the benefit of being able to compare changes made in the source language later.
Once you use this option, the translated page will be in "Free mode" and the "Translate" button will no longer be available.<br>
Use this when you need more freedom in adding, deleting or arranging the content elements on the translated page.

Problems:

  • texts become quite long - (longer explanations should be in documentation / context sensitive help)
Actions #6

Updated by Sybille Peters almost 3 years ago

Proposal 2 (Rachel) - including text tweaks:

!!! Note that there have been changes in the title of the dialog, the icons, the labels (previously "Translate" and "Copy") and the descriptions:

Intentions / Explanation

Change in title:

  • the title of the modal is "Choose a translation mode for ..." because each step has it's own dedicated title

Change in icons:

  • use new - more intuitive - icons
  • consistent with the original localisation icon (line on the left, star on the right)

Change in description texts

  • shorten the text
  • write intention in bold first, e.g. "Choose this option if you want an exact translation"
  • tried to be as short as possible to help user take a decision without using the term "strict" and I tried to find a word to define what is a page that is not an exact translation

Screenshot:

!! There are some minor text changes which are currently not reflected in screenshot, see texts below.

Texts

  • title :

Choose a translation mode for page

  • "Translate" label:

Connected mode

  • "Copy" label:

Free mode

  • "Translate" description:

Choose this option if you want an exact translation
The translated content will be connected to the original content so that you can see when any original content has been modified.

  • "Copy" description:

Choose this option if you want a free variation.
The translated content won't be connected to the original content so that you can remove or add content freely to create a localized version.

Updated by Rachel Foucard over 2 years ago

Hi Sybille,

here is the svg files for the related icons. I will try to add them to the actions icons sprite (need to know how first).
Rachel

Actions #8

Updated by Gerrit Code Review over 2 years ago

Patch set 4 for branch master of project Packages/TYPO3.CMS has been pushed to the review server.
It is available at https://review.typo3.org/c/Packages/TYPO3.CMS/+/69690

Actions #9

Updated by Gerrit Code Review over 2 years ago

Patch set 5 for branch main of project Packages/TYPO3.CMS has been pushed to the review server.
It is available at https://review.typo3.org/c/Packages/TYPO3.CMS/+/69690

Actions #10

Updated by Sybille Peters about 1 year ago

  • Description updated (diff)
Actions #11

Updated by Sybille Peters about 1 year ago

  • Status changed from Under Review to Rejected

Patch abandoned:

I would like to abandon this now. Reason:

It was intended as a simple text change but the change was not so straightforward and not even sure if we can agree on a a new text here. Since the possible improvement is pretty minor, I don't think it is worth a big effort. If anyone would like to take it up again, please feel free to reopen or create a new patch.

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