Bug #33901

Always show "Create new" buttons in page tree

Added by Philipp Gampe over 4 years ago. Updated over 4 years ago.

Status:Rejected Start date:2012-02-14
Priority:Won't have this time Due date:
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Consider the page tree in a TYPO3 installation.

By clicking the top-left icon over it (Create new pages), the user can display additional, helpful buttons that aid in inserting new items into the page tree.
By clicking the same icon again, the buttons disappear.

These buttons should never be hidden (unless the user switches to the filter).

First of all, the buttons are hidden so well, new users (and even some seasoned ones) might not even know of their existence. Which is tragic, considering how helpful they are.

Second of all, there is no benefit in hiding the buttons. No screen real estate is gained from hiding them (as the bar they reside on stays visible at all times). I have a hard time coming up with a compelling argument why it could be useful to hide them.
I did an experimental patch for this. Would be cool to get feedback here.

Related issues

related to Core - Feature #33887: Always show "Create new" buttons in page tree Rejected 2012-02-13


#1 Updated by Jens Hoffmann over 4 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Rejected
  • Priority changed from Should have to Won't have this time

As we aim to have as little visual noise as
possible, I'm cleary against this suggestion.
Sorry. We had this discussion before we
implemented this feature, and I think all
our points from the past are still valid.

I don't think a user has an issue to explore them.
As there is no real alternative for a user to add a
page without out that. The d&d is not done as in
the concepts written down. thats the only issue I
see here.

Greez Jens

#2 Updated by Philipp Gampe over 4 years ago

Well, I can only tell from my own experience.

All people I know, did not knew they could just drag new pages to the tree. They totally overlooked that feature.
Personally I always have it open as I rarely search for pages.

#3 Updated by Oliver Salzburg over 4 years ago

The user does have an issue exploring them. I am a user. I had issues exploring them.

There are alternatives. You open up the context menu and click Page Actions, click New then you select the position where you insert the page, then you possibly change the type of the inserted element, then you repeat that 40 times and start asking yourself "Why is this process so complex and frustrating? Isn't there an easier way?" Yes there is an easier way in fact! You just don't know about it because it improves usability :D

I would really love to have a look at that previous discussion. I don't see any of your mentioned points as valid.

#4 Updated by Jens Hoffmann over 4 years ago

It was RL discussion, so there is sadly no documentation about it.

Again the main point's

  • Visual Noise (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_noise)
  • Add Icon is visible (easy to explore)
    • Uses do click that (I see this often within my agency work)
    • User see the next step - additional Icons
    • The is should say "Drag to add" beside of the icons (Was design, but not coded like that)

Greez Jens

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