Feature #46445
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copy paste hide in web-module
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Description
under TemplaVoila I got used to the Copy/Paste/Hide/...-Buttons in the Title-Bar of each CE Element.
Unfortunately this never was adopted by the TYPO3 Page-Module.
With V6 the New element moved out of the Ce-Elements and is available in a place where it sould have been since ages.
but why was the work on this stopped?
The usability could grow if the BE would adopt the TV-Backend Design.
You still cant insert a Clipboard Content without a Element that gives you access to the DropDown Menu "Insert after...". On a empty page:
you must have access to the List module.
The usability group should have a closer look to TemplaVoila, please - simplicity will grow with the TV behavior and the TV users might feel the future-loss of this great EXT less hard, when they move over to gridElements.
thank you,
Christian.
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Updated by Christian Tauscher over 11 years ago
- File usability.jpg usability.jpg added
- Target version changed from 6.1.0 to 6.2.0
I will give new Details to this issue, gause I don't want this to be forgotten.
First: Could some admin-user please Change the Toppic to "Usabilitiy of Page Module" or some better title?
To make the differense more clear from TemplaVoils to PageModule I have added some Screenshots.
This is not about what looks better: my Mac or your PC..... This sucks..
I wand the best tool for the work I have to do.
And the Work is not: A easy way to do your admin job, the work is what your customers do: They make changes on the Website.
This Part must be in the focus of the usability, not if TV-Mapping is complicated or TS is missing some feature or is flow better than whatever.
The Work is done by my customers. They must be happy, cause they pay me.
So, this is about the Information you can get with first sight and what can be done directly without going to some menu.
Go on:
Screenshot left is Page Module, right TemplaVoila
Row 1: One Item is Hidden on the Page one visible, no MouseOver.
Row 2: Same Picture, first Item with MouseOver
On the TV Side:
- you better detect what is visible/hidden cause of the Icons
- There are the most important tools visible with hover-effect:
Edit, hide/show, Clipboardstate, shortcut (special TV feature), cut, unlink(kind of delete)
- between the Elements you have (always - even there is NO element on the page)
New Item, Folder (New element by browsing through Elementsbrowser), Clipboard insert (if there is content in clipboard)
WebModule
- visible/hidden by lighter/darker background, no icons. Icons appear with hover effect
Width hove you see Edit hide/show, delete
- New Item
The TV Tools in Titlebar make the TV-Module so powerful. The usability is much better.
The Page Module hat alway a lack of usability fetures.
The Color-scheme of TYPO3 at all:
Everything is a kind of grey: lingter, darker. Sometimes The difference is only between some lighter and not so light....
I am sure you can easyly tell the difference between this colours - you are young mid 20?
Think about end 40 - what will your eyes be in 20 Years... Can you still tell the difference between #333 and #666 at first sight?
Ask you customers if the can.
And maybe ist not of your bad Eyes, but cause of the ceap Hardware your boss gives you for your Work. Most Computers are not HighEnd Machines with the latest and best thinkable Hardware but there are working machines: cheap with bad displays - thats real Life.
mybe ths would be a new task for the usability Group introduced wit V4. Are they still active?
With V6 drag and Drop and the add Item between all CEs was introduced and...
Why was the work stopped here? Since V6 was not only some new TYPO3 but a new Start to new worlds...
OK, nothing too late. Check out TV if you are not familiar with it.
Bite throug the (hated? I love it) mapping Mechanism and you see advantage of the Usability of TV on your own.
Promise: You don't want to go back to PageModule and your cusomers dont want, too!
Ist always a small change that makes the difference!
And I am sure ist not a small task to do the programming for this - but I am sure it's worth, even if you care about the "TYPO3 is so complicated"-opinion by other cms-brands (which is not thue by the way).
Lets turn T3 into a CMS for real Live outside the coders/designers office.
Go to you cusomers and see what/how they are working with.
Count how often they switch around the modules, staring on the screen and try to find out whar its going on.
You need more screens, descriptions, ideas... let me know.
Thank you for your patience,
Christian.
Updated by Georg Ringer over 11 years ago
just a small response: everything needs to happen in small pieces. so work never stops but it is just delivered whas has been achived. that is currently what you see. it is not the case that people don't know what could be better but IMO more ideas and knowledge is always great. maybe you wanna add yourself to the usabitlity team?
Updated by Ernesto Baschny over 11 years ago
- Category set to Backend User Interface
- Status changed from New to Rejected
- Priority changed from Should have to -- undefined --
- Target version deleted (
6.2.0)
Hi Christian,
thanks for your contribution. This should be first discussed in the Usability Team, which has it's own project and issue tracker.
Refer to Issue #13749 or #5328 where this topic is already being discussed. Maybe you might want to join forces.
As George mentioned, it's easier to get "smaller steps" into the Core than a "giant leap". But for these particular topics it's better if the decision comes from the UX team first!
So I'm closing the issue here and point you to the mentioned issues above to continue the discussion. Thanks for understanding!