Inconsistent handling of Sys-folders
Much of the complexity of typo3 for an ordinary editor (not the geek) is the mix between sys-folders / list-view / records / content elements / edit-mode.
There have been discussions about this before but it's as of 6.1 still an issue.Currently, the following inconsistencies exist:
- Sys-folders can be displayed in the backend in edit mode like normal pages <> But they can not be displayed in the Frontend (preview), even if they contain content
- Sys-folders mostly contain records, many of them are not visible in edit-mode, user has to manually switch to list-view. Very hard to explain.
- Sys-folders have Preview Icons (And the Preview-Module), and records inside sysfolders have "save and preview" Icons <> But they can not be displayed in the Frontend
There are some "explanations" why it is as it is, but in the grand-cheme, they don't make sense for 90% of the use-cases.I see two possible solutions:
1) Use Sysfolders as pure Record storage:
- Remove all Preview-Icons
- Automatically Switch to Listview (could be disabled or a if anyone uses a folder to inherit content-elements to children, but then again, don't use a sysfolder as container for pages)
- Consequently, sys-folders then need to be able to be displayed in the fronted
- (I would still prefer an automatic switch to list-view with the possibility of manually switching back to edit edit mode)
Listing of all records:
I have to following use-case for this: A course extension collects registrations in a sys-folder. Now; if the editor clicks on preview, the folder could be rendered as a normal page (using the TS that is probably present some levels above anyway, or its own custom TS that handles this page) and list all registrations (using the a plugin inserted in the edit-mode as content) allowing for various cool stuff like printing of invoices etc...
It could be so that the sys-folders can only be previewed by backend-editors effectively making the backend much more versatile for extension since they can use the same way to display stuff in the front-end for the normal user as well as for advanced backend things for the author – he just writes another plugin only used on the sys-folder... no need to hack tca, write wizzards...)
Preview of a single record:
If you click preview on a recorcd, the record ID is used and the Sysfolder is previewd using the Template, if a plugin is inserted on the sysfolders content-section, it's automatically used to preview the current record. This would even be better, since now, there is no way of previewing records. Example: sysfolder storing tt_news records. Now add a detail_display plugin in the content-area and upon hitting "save & preview" the Record ID and the Sysfolder-ID are rendered in the FE as Page > voila, preview of the current news.
I think, this would be a great usability improvement because it increases consistency and, in case of option 2 also a great new feature for editors and extensionprogrammers.
#1 Updated by Noel Bossart over 5 years ago
As for the argument of using sys-folders as container for subpages – it would be much better to use shurtcut pages linking to the first subpage or the parent anyway since if the fe-user goes back in a url like this:
if user deletes contact.html he ends up in the sys-folder – getting a 404 since the sys-folder can not be displayed...
#7 Updated by Riccardo De Contardi 3 months ago
I checked briefly the situation with 10.0.0-dev (latest master) and I think that the issue here has been at least mitigated.
1) As fas as I can see, the preview icon and save and preview icon has been removed from the header bar when you create a content element in a sysfolder; I checked it
- with a "Text" content element record
- with a tx_news record
2) when creating a page inside a sysfolder,
- the preview icon is still present in the header bar, but it works correctly
- the sysfolder is automatically removed from the slug
3) It is true that it is still possible to view a sysfolder with the "page" module, but there is a message on the top of it
Go to list module The current page is a folder. Folders usually don't contain content elements but are used for collecting other types of records.
4) the only "problem" I've seen so far, is when
- you create a content element inside a sysfolder (e.g. a Text content element)
- in list view, the "preview" icon is still present, but if you click on it, as far as I can see, you go to the home page.
Are there more cases that I missed?